A Religious State: What I fear



May 20, 325 – 1st Christian ecumenical council opens at Nicaea, Asia Minor. This was the first major marriage of Christianity and state. The Emperor Constantine the (not so) Great called the church together to figure out what they believed. All those who disagreed with the Nicene Creed were kicked out of the church. Within 60 years (380 Edict of Thessalonica) all other Christian beliefs and ideas were deemed heretical and the “church” proceeded to eradicate them. This kind of thing is why we have separation of church and state. So we can have freedom of religion.

The same kind of thing had been happening in England for quite some time. When the Church of England broke from Catholicism in the 1500’s the King (or queen) became the head of the church. Whatever the king or queen was (protestant or Catholic) the other was persecuted. There was a revolution in which Oliver Cromwell and the far right Protestants took over and then were over thrown. For six years (1653-1659) the Commonwealth of England controlled the nation’s religion. People were jailed, killed or exiled for speaking their minds. Cromwell did have some people exiled instead of killing them to show his tolerance for religions. (Yeah, right, as I roll my eyes)

Many of the colonists that came to America were running from the wars and religious oppression from the government. They often settled in the Virginia area and in New England. This is where many of our founding fathers were from. Washington, Jefferson, Monroe, Madison, and Patrick Henry were born in Virginia. Hancock, Franklin, John Adams, and Samuel Adams were all born in New England. They were born into areas filled with people who did not like the government and religion being married as one. I find it interesting that the bigger leaders and the writers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution all came from these areas, as well as our first six presidents.

The conservative Christians in America want a “Christian government” like our founding fathers but our founding fathers didn’t want religion in government. They had seen its affects on the people around them. I question how many of them were really Christians. John Adams said the Bible was full of myths. Jefferson took out all the miracles in the Bible when he printed the Jeffersonian Bible. That includes the resurrection. Washington seldom spoke about Jesus, only about the almighty God.   Franklin was a womanizer and Madison said “The establishment of the chaplainship in Congress is a palpable violation of equal rights as well as of Constitutional principles” Not exactly what you would call Christian ideas.

Madison also stated that “During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”

The end of that is really what scares me if this country becomes a government run on religion. Our government would start persecuting based on the bigotry of whatever religion was in power. We don’t need that. We need freedom. The freedom that the founding fathers wanted us to have.  The freedom to worship without being persecuted. And when I say persecuted I mean beaten, thrown in jail and killed.  That would actually be persecution.

As John Adams once said, “Government has no right to hurt a hair on the head of an Atheist for his Opinions. Let him have a care of his Practices.” Nor should it hurt the hairs on any head of a Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Jehovah Witness, Mormon or any other religion. Let’s allow all people to worship as they like, no matter if we disagree with them.  Keep religion out of the government and we can all have true freedom.








12 thoughts on “A Religious State: What I fear

  1. “…what scares me if this country becomes a government run on religion.”

    Really think there are a lot of things more likely to worry about than that.



      • “… history says a government run on religion is not a free country.”

        Don’t disagree. Only have to look at many Muslim countries today. I am just saying I don’t think you are likely to see that level of religious control of government and mandating religious dictates by government in the U.S. Just the opposite actually with government programs violating religious convictions, for example, mandating via Obamacare that Christians support insurance covering abortion.



      • Maybe we don’t run in the same circles but I have seen a trend of religious elitism in certain groups in the past decade. Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council recently said that “true religious freedom only applies to orthodox religious viewpoints.’” I have seen this kind of intolerance growing and getting into politics. This type of mixture I find dangerous.

      • “I have seen this kind of intolerance growing and getting into politics…”

        Probably the greatest threat to religious tolerance in the U.S. (and the world) is the migration of Muslims who want to eventually establishSharia law.



  2. Funny you should bring this up; I was just reading an article along the same lines not a week or so ago (ended up here from reading some Illuminati stuff. 😉 . http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/mashist.htm
    I’ve always cringed a bit when someone loudly announces that we – as a country – go back to our Christian roots… because history really proves otherwise (I, for one, don’t know exactly what the Freemasons are (and unless you are one, you’re probably not going to) but their beliefs don’t seem to fall within a “Christian” realm) as many founding fathers, as well as presidents way down the line, have been Freemasons.

    Don’t even get me started on the reptilians.

    • Never really looked into the Freemasons, except watching the History Channel. I really got going on this subject as I looked at the different times Christianity has been in bed with the government and what has happened. I mean do we really have to look beyond the “Dark ages”? They were “dark” for a reason and it wasn’t a long eclipse. 🙂 Always love hearing from you Heather.

  3. Where I live (northeast Indiana) most of the people around me would be quite happy to see our country turn into a conservative Christian theocracy.

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